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Author Topic: "Lord of the Flies"  (Read 400 times)
Christopher Nyerges
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« on: January 09, 2017, 04:40:54 PM »

Just posted a commentary on the original "Lord of the Flies" book/movie (don't bother with the re-make).  Hope you enjoy it.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2017, 05:02:52 PM »

 

The book was part of the syllabus when I went to school, made a lasting impression on me

http://dirttime.com/the-lord-of-the-flies
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2017, 05:38:06 PM »

i was very young when exposed to the book. i am not sure that i raised the lessons, real or imagined, to a conscious level, but it affected me deeply - mostly to welcome Chaos and Adventure. i mean, come on! - pre-teens on a game-filled tropical island, with a good knife and fire?! just add women.


 - mute women, of course.


i must admit i liked it when Piggy got his brains splattered all over the rock, and the waves made a nice clean rock again IIRC.

points for style.

artful.


my blue-blooded eastern reading teacher didn't like my attitude on that, but she made me read Camus and Kafke at 12, so we are even.

i've met a lot of Piggy's in my life, who achieved their position through Law, instead of Virtue - and it is worse than ever now, socially and in professional fields that are subject to affirmative action and virtue signalling. i prefer the Natural Order.



that said, the story is told in a God's Eye View, a particularly British God at that, and as such, is attractive to weaker intellects and spirits IMHO.


i think if you look at it like a Shrink, Raloh and Jack were actually one individual.

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2017, 05:49:54 PM »


i was very young when exposed to the book.......... it affected me deeply - mostly to welcome Chaos and Adventure. i mean, come on! - pre-teens on a game-filled tropical island, with a good knife and fire?! just add women.


Have you read much by Harry Harrison Vec?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harrison_(writer)

I read lots of his stuff in my youth...........chaos, adventure & women galore (but often the sort of girls that would break your arm if given a chance).

 
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2017, 06:11:08 PM »


i was very young when exposed to the book.......... it affected me deeply - mostly to welcome Chaos and Adventure. i mean, come on! - pre-teens on a game-filled tropical island, with a good knife and fire?! just add women.


Have you read much by Harry Harrison Vec?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harrison_(writer)

I read lots of his stuff in my youth...........chaos, adventure & women galore (but often the sort of girls that would break your arm if given a chance).

 


i have not read any of his stuff IIRC.

women who can break your arms are the most fun IMHO. ...reminds me of a certain D-cupped filly who trained horses and could stand on her hands for an hour... she called me for some service a few years ago, after i got remarried ...i figured might as well die at Saint Erica's hand, so i didn't call her back....

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2017, 06:19:28 PM »

In the Deathworld series:

From early childhood the characters have a 20mm (from memory) pistol strapped to their forearm that is designed to leap into their hand by flexing the forearm muscle.

Easy to tell when they are annoyed

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/28346
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2017, 06:22:46 PM »

"When they rounded the corner there was a car bearing down on them. Before Jason could get his gun clear of the holster Kerk was in front of
him. His arm came up and his big ugly gun burst through the cloth of his sleeve and jumped into his hand. A single shot killed the driver and the
car swerved and crashed. The other two men in the car died coming out of the door, their guns dropping from their hands."
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2017, 06:26:00 PM »

"Driving with one hand, Kerk reached under the dash and pulled out a gun that was the twin of the monster strapped to his arm. "Use this instead
of your own," he said. "Rocket-propelled explosive slugs. Make a great bang. Don't bother shooting at anyone--I'll take care of that. Just stir
up a little action and make them keep their distance. Like this."

He fired a single, snap-shot out the side window and passed the gun to Jason almost before the slug hit. An empty truck blew up with a roar,
raining pieces on the cars around and sending their drivers fleeing in panic."
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2017, 06:35:00 PM »

"Brucco had finished eating while he talked, and sat staring at Jason's bare arms with growing disgust. "The first thing we want to get you is a
gun," he said. "It gives me a sick feeling to see someone without one."

Of course Brucco wore his own gun continually, even within the sealed buildings.

"Every gun is fitted to its owner and would be useless on anyone else," Brucco said. "I'll show you why." He led Jason to an armory jammed with
deadly weapons. "Put your arm in this while I make the adjustments."


It was a boxlike machine with a pistol grip on the side. Jason clutched the grip and rested his elbow on a metal loop. Brucco fixed pointers
that touched his arm, then copied the results from the meters. Reading the figures from his list he selected various components from bins and
quickly assembled a power holster and gun. With the holster strapped to his forearm and the gun in his hand, Jason noticed for the first time
they were connected by a flexible cable. The gun fitted his hand perfectly.

"This is the secret of the power holster," Brucco said, tapping the flexible cable. "It is perfectly loose while you are using the weapon. But when you want it returned to the holster--" Brucco made an adjustment and the cable became a stiff rod that whipped the gun from Jason's hand and suspended it in midair.

"Then the return." The rod-cable whirred and snapped the gun back into the holster. "The drawing action is the opposite of this, of course."

"A great gadget," Jason said, "but how _do_ I draw? Do I whistle or something for the gun to pop out?"

"No, it is not sonic control," Brucco answered with a sober face. "It is much more precise than that. Here, take your left hand and grasp an imaginary gun butt. Tense your trigger finger. Do you notice the pattern of the tendons in the wrist? Sensitive actuators touch the tendons in your right wrist. They ignore all patterns except the one that says _hand ready to receive gun_. After a time the mechanism becomes completely automatic. When you want the gun--it is in your hand. When you don't--it is in the holster."

Jason made grasping motions with his right hand, crooked his index finger. There was a sudden, smashing pain against his hand and a loud
roar. The gun was in his hand--half the fingers were numb--and smoke curled up from the barrel.

"Of course there are only blank charges in the gun until you learn control. Guns are _always_ loaded. There is no safety. Notice the lack of a trigger guard. That enables you to bend your trigger finger a slight bit more when drawing so the gun will fire the instant it touches your hand."

It was without a doubt the most murderous weapon Jason had ever handled, as well as being the hardest to manage. Working against the muscle-burning ache of high gravity, he fought to control the devilish device. It had an infuriating way of vanishing into the holster just as he was about to pull the trigger. Even worse was the tendency to leap out before he was quite ready. The gun went to the position where his hand should be. If the fingers weren't correctly placed, they were crashed aside. Jason only stopped the practice when his entire hand was one livid bruise.

Complete mastery would come with time, but he could already understand why the Pyrrans never removed their guns. It would be like removing a
part of your own body. The movement of gun from holster to hand was too fast for him to detect. It was certainly faster than the neural current
that shaped the hand into the gun-holding position. For all apparent purposes it was like having a lightning bolt in your fingertip. Point the finger and _blamm_, there's the explosion."
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 06:55:13 PM »

"Jason made the mistake of putting out his hand to stop her. He didn't really know what happened next. One instant he was standing--the next he sprawled suddenly on the floor. His shoulder was badly bruised, and Meta had vanished down the corridor.

Limping back to his own room he cursed women in general and Meta in particular. Dropping onto his rock-hard bed he tried to remember the reasons that had brought him here in the first place. And weighed them against the perpetual torture of the gravity, the fear-filled dreams it inspired, the automatic contempt of these people for any outsider. He quickly checked the growing tendency to feel sorry for himself. By Pyrran standards he _was_ soft and helpless. If he wanted them to think any better of him, he would have to change a good deal."
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2017, 09:20:40 PM »

Never cared for many of these more modern works. Hated the Bell Jar and a stack of other contemporary literature writings. I really irritated my contemp literature teacher. A few other modern thinking teachers of the day. They were as bad as their opposites.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2017, 09:51:49 PM »


Hated the Bell Jar


I don't blame you....... Cool

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Jar
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2017, 01:23:28 AM »

Also good........

http://www.analogsf.com/assets/6/6/Vintage_Analog_1967-03.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Technicolor_Time_Machine
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Christopher Nyerges
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2017, 02:33:17 AM »

thanks for the commentary Vec. I never thought of Ralph and Jack as "one individual", but who knows what the writer was trying to get across.  I think both aspects are necessary, but context and timing is everything.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2017, 05:16:44 AM »

I like the Outlanders and Deathlands series.
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