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John McCann
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« on: September 17, 2009, 09:06:33 AM »

Normally when I return from a camping trip, I look at the stuff I brought and evaluate those things that worked as they were supposed to... and those that didn't. 

Just wondering what things worked for you... and what things didn't (or you were disappointed with)... Is there anything you would improve... leave home next time... or maybe destroy with extreme prejudice?

John 
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 04:17:51 PM »

I'm leaving the bag full of knives home next time.   I only used my SAK and my neck knife for the whole week.  Also, I was won over to tarp shelters during this DT, so I'll leave the alpha tent/poncho rig home next time too.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 05:12:23 PM »


 Every piece of gear I had was what I had to have .... When I packed it...

 As long as I have been doing this, Im still going through 'stuff" and getting rid of something.
 Sometimes I forget and take it again..
 I cant throw it away, I might need it later. At times that happens.

 Seems simple enough, but I think it is human nature to try and complicate things.
 The "what if " factor comes into play... Oh crap I might need that..
 Well , waht is the big deal if you do need , but dont have it? ...
 Steal it, borrow it, make do, ignore it, improvise, go to sleep and it will appear in the morning.
 Long Rifle has it...

  Dude...yer6
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 07:08:18 PM »

Dint realize Cali was so damn cold at night, net time the woobie come out and the intermediate bags in for hammock sleeping.

You know what the man said "The coldest winter I ever spent was the summer I spent in SanFransico" Sound advice.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 07:11:11 PM »

Well Pathfinder SoCal is a desert after all.  Wink You know it gets cold as F@#k and hot as Hell.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 08:08:35 PM »


 Mark Twain... And he had it right...
 I lived in SF once for ten minutes for 2 years... I did not like it at all.
 
 Cold, dirty and expensive as all get out..Cannot find a place to park.. 

 Fog was cold.. Summer fog was cold... Damp and yucky and foggy..
 Everything was uphill both ways, Not a joke... Rain in the winter and fog... Rain in the summer and fog...

 I have seen 110 in the desert and a drop to 36 with the wind blowing... That is cold.
 Nothing to hold in the heat... zero..

 Dude...yer 6 ....
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2009, 08:42:11 PM »

Normally when I return from a camping trip, I look at the stuff I brought and evaluate those things that worked as they were supposed to... and those that didn't. 

We do the exact same thing.

We should have brought:

*More torches (or flashlights)
*More chairs
*More knives
*Two cameras (instead of one)
*Another set of flip flops (at least for me)
*Extra Blankies for night time.  And we live in So Cal and knew better.  Buncha nerds.  I stole Vec's blankies though, and cuddled with TW, and slept with a snuggly, warm puppy dog at night, so not too big of a deal.
*MORE BEER
*a corkscrew (that's for you, John)

We should not have brought:

... Hm... I can't think of anything we didn't use while we were there. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2009, 09:05:57 PM »

I brought too many clothes to DT09 I didn't want to be walking around looking like a street man by the end of the week. Last time I looked like that, Dude proposed and Alan challenged him to a duel for my hand.
I had rainwear, cold wear, hot wear, woodsy wear and several different hats. I bet my clothing bag with my sleeping pad and sleeping bag in a duffle weighed 45 pounds. No worries at DT10 I am going to stink and stay dirty. I will bring a change for the way home.
I only brought 1 pair of boots, one pair of runners and one pair of moccasins. I wore the boots all the time.
I brought several flashlights one headlamp would have been enough.
I brought a billy pail in case I went for a hike. I had a couple of cups too many and bought a canteen with cup from Dave and a Titanium folding Sierra cup from John and Denise. If you think that's bad you should see the three cupboards full of mugs in my Kitchen. I believe I may be a mugophile.  Embarrassed
I brought lots of knives, saws and an axe, but that was for my talk, but I guess I could have borrowed some and left the arsenal at home.
I always bring extra glasses they are so fragile it is good to do that.
I had an extra tarp, I wasn't sure if I would have to put up a privacy screen, it wasn't used. I bought a knife or three also, what is wrong with me Huh?
As it was I borrowed a camp cot from Scrap Iron and poles from Dude.....I am a camping mess. I need help, I need Equipment Anonymous, their three step program works I hear, Three piles after each trip and discard the first to piles, yeah that's it ....three piles discard two..... when is the next meeting?

Griz
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2009, 09:45:14 PM »

 I brought along a project I'm working on. It's primarily a big bag made of ripstop you can stuff and make a mattress out of. It also had some loops and grommets in it. The secondary uses are a hammock, chair, stretcher, or a cot depending on how you rig it up. It worked great for its intended uses the way it was designed to be used. Then Ron Hood asked if I tested it for idiots. Well that's where things went wrong. In short order it was in two pieces and Norseman was on his back. Lesson learned, don't hang a 200 lb Marine 5 foot of the ground by 2 grommets in ripstop and give him a swing. The new version is almost done, reinforced with webbing and no grommets.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2009, 10:30:35 PM »


hehehehe.... Grin.....perfect....

 Dude...yerbud...
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 10:50:53 PM »

Yep brought too much gear. SW you should have let me know you needed a corkscrew I had one with me in our kit.

Next time I am going to pack less "in case of crap", but I will be adding more office supply type stuff. We did OK on getting rid of some of our trade goods clearing up some space.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 12:01:53 AM »

CG, that's funny! Wish I could have seen it.

I used everything I took, which wasn't much. Wait, I didn't use the tarp over my hammock.I did use the thermarest in the hammock and a poncho liner as a blanket

I took two knives with me to use, both folders, an outrider and a Tops thunderhawke.

Sneakers, boots, and water shoes.

Two pairs of pants, two shirts.

Two pairs of socks and underwear.

One windbreaker

Toiletries.

That was my pack set up

Dude will tell you, I don't like carrying or having much.

I went to texas 2 years ago, stayed for three days and did a similiar set up, minus sneakers and water shoes and did use my AMK heatsheet and woobie. It got reeeally cold that first night, but did well. The next morning the heatsheet had frost all over it. I was actually warm with that combo.

... Don't ask me about the second night, lol!
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 02:51:25 PM »

i used a TOPS Steel Eagle 105 a bunch in the field, experimenting, when i walked the wolves.

http://www.topsknives.com/product_info.php?products_id=183&osCsid=jr3nqvp0dbvthv3m3t3ffqdad7

the saw's functionality and ruggedness surprised me, to the good.

nice compact little knife. fairly light. 'might be a new favorite for minimal kit.

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glad i brought my typical extra tarps for the Man Hooch.

i am bringing four to five 10' x 12'-ish El Cheapo tarps next gathering.

make a pavilion, or double them up for insulation from the sun, and maybe resistance to hail....

........

should've brought more wool blankets - i like them big and thin - double them up and you have a thick blankie at a tenth of the price. (mine were free actually - found 'em in the alley)

- the fire worked though when a certain stinker made off with my woobie, but not all of us like being around the fire all the time.

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i packed pretty light, for a guy with two mongrels and three females along.

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CLOTHES;

cheap 100% cotton button-up Wrangler shirts from Wally World stay cleaner than T-shirts, and are cooler (i think i paid 11 smacks for the Deluxe version with wrinkle finish, so that Canadians would be seen with me in public).

shorts (i think) are key. i packed my chaps for bush bumming in the briars with cargo shorts. less clothing to get wet, while allowing better heat exchange, skin health compared to wearing pants, and the chaps give rain protection with increased breathability over rain pants, which always blow a hole in the bottom or bust a zipper anyways, right when you need them. make a pair of chaps out of your old BDU's to see if you like the concept. Scotchguard or tincloth-treat them, or equivalent, then move up to good ones when you are ready.

only bringing one pair of pants probably next time.

i buy the Cabela's equivalent of Smart Wool socks (they seem, to be Smart Wools, anyways) - these are good choices for sleeping in the cold when undergunned in the clothing department, plus if you have to get the boots on and go do something serious, they are good to go. 'make nice hand warmers if it comes to that. watch out - chicks will steal them.

i carry three pair, standard; one to wear, on to have ready, one being washed, if need be.


Mechanics Gloves. - good to have total separation from your envirionment, if need be. they save a lot of hand injuries and allow faster movement through rough environaments IME. in the old days, everyone had gloves that could afford them. there was a reason.

i like that you can swim in most of these Mechanics Gloves. they are essentially tropical SCUBA gloves from yesteryear.

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i brought plenty of line.

i think that was a good idea. at least 100' per tarp is a good rule of thumb, i reckon - let the number decrease; the more tarps you bring, increase; the fewer tarps you bring. - that's just my guestimate, and shouldn't be taken as gospel.

paracord will do.

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extra strong steel spike tent pegs - i handed them out left and right for folks that were making pretzels out of their Un-Obtanium ones on the rocky earth there.

just get those cheap spike ones - i think they are about 10 inches long with that worthless plastic thing on the end - they look like big nails.

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plastic grocery bags.

if folks are going to have dogs along, they should have these on the leash or in a little fanny pack around the dog's neck. not for poop out in the middle of nowhere, but amongst the common areas. dogs are not going to be allowed if folks don't stay on top of them, and that would be a huge shame IMHO, because a lot of folks benefit from a dog's presence, even if it isn't their dog. most Dirt Time folks love dogs, i reckon.

nice to be able to have a bag to carry and contain trash too - a lot of folks think the Mechanism of Wind is something experienced in bed in the early morning.  Roll Eyes a plastic bag nails things together and down, until they can be tossed in the fire or disposed of. i probably used two a day at DT 2009, cleaning up dropped/blown trash. that's not meant as a criticism - we all have to learn.

a plastic bag keeps a barfing kid from decorating his tent too in the middle of the night. stuff happens. no smell the next day, if nothing else.

great to have a little self-tying bag on a branch for when you don't want to troop off to the fire or trash.

HTH.

vec
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 06:41:33 PM »

i probably used two a day at DT 2009, cleaning up dropped/blown trash.

We did a lot of that too.  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 04:53:58 AM »

Too many clothes..and a cot...not enough gourds
I had to turn some folks away......
I realized I dont sleep on cots as good as laying on the ground. So I loaned the cot to Mako the whole time.


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