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Title: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Christopher Nyerges on July 14, 2016, 05:41:07 PM
Check out the article by Dude, just posted. Let's hear your comments.


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 14, 2016, 08:02:14 PM
Very topical Dude :thumbsup:

http://dirttime.com/in-a-grid-down-world-2 (http://dirttime.com/in-a-grid-down-world-2)

These are becoming popular........ :cheers:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-02/tesla-powerwall-what-it-means-for-australia's-energy/7130392 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-02/tesla-powerwall-what-it-means-for-australia's-energy/7130392)

The debate seems to centre around the time it takes to achieve pay back on the investment.


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 14, 2016, 08:16:15 PM
Devices that use USB charging are really convenient, the last torch I bought for example :tw:

We covered some of this territory here........

http://www.dirttimeforum.com/index.php?topic=7857.0 (http://www.dirttimeforum.com/index.php?topic=7857.0)

http://www.dirttimeforum.com/index.php?topic=7871.msg85258#msg85258 (http://www.dirttimeforum.com/index.php?topic=7871.msg85258#msg85258)

http://www.dirttimeforum.com/index.php?topic=7418.0 (http://www.dirttimeforum.com/index.php?topic=7418.0)

This seems remarkable

http://www.viamotors.com/vehicles/electric-truck/ (http://www.viamotors.com/vehicles/electric-truck/)

 :cheers:



Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: vector001 on July 14, 2016, 08:23:02 PM
grid down from EMP is intriguing.

i just worked on a project that was concerned with that very thing - all i can say about that is China is going to have some surprises if they try it on us, but so will we, as a population. anyone who thinks the Chinese government is out of control needs to go over there and live with the Chinese, but that's just my opinion. we aren't far behind them, as society breaks down. people are out of control - that's the opposite of self reliance.

what venerable-elder dude wrote was very good, and i don't say that because he is my father ...he gently brings some facts to light that should be accompanied by snaps, whistles, and kicks in the ass - when it comes to paying attention to basic refrigeration, the zeer pots are very good. - i expect to see them morph into a second generation where the evaporating element, currently water, is changed to something like alcohol from home brew, or maybe ammonia from urine. it will be interesting to see how fast folks will improve the system when there is no other way.

cameras weren't mentioned. one thing the safety sallies never see, is when you make a thing available, it becomes an entitlement, then it becomes a crutch, then it becomes necessary. - cops are an example of this as society loses the concept of responsibility, but so too are surveillance cameras; what does this suggest? well, i am not a betting man, but i would gamble my left nut that the reaction to grid down by the criminals and other entitlement types will immediately go through an inner mental deliberation for about an hour before they decide that they need to secure everything that they want right damn now, by any means possible - i expect to see pulses of looting, more profound than usual and almost instantly after the event, in lieu of a couple days that are normally projected after such an initiation.

who knows. glad i don't care. wish i could say why.

there are a lot of books that cover skill sets for similar situations - i can't recall reading any of them - but i have read a lot of stuff on physics, chemistry, building and construction, and wooing women cough - How to Make Friends and Influence Dumbshits, i mean....


always cover the fundamentals, and the particulars will fall in place.

i don't think grid down is going to happen, but i intend to enjoy myself thoroughly if it happens.


good article, as usual.

vec


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 14, 2016, 08:30:09 PM

grid down from EMP is intriguing.

vec

 Particularly for civilian populations I reckon, and especially if there was no warning. :-\


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 14, 2016, 08:33:52 PM

always cover the fundamentals, and the particulars will fall in place.

vec

 :thumbsup:

An argument for basic research if ever I heard one ;) 8)


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Dude McLean on July 14, 2016, 08:35:30 PM

 i wrote this article sometime ago maybe more than a year ago.. but still seems to apply to today... and i think it was already here on the site , maybe not didnt look...

 Dude


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 14, 2016, 08:44:54 PM

 i wrote this article sometime ago .......

 Dude

It has ongoing relevance regardless IMO ........... good opportunity to review our strategies and consider the impact of new developments :thumbsup:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Christopher Nyerges on July 14, 2016, 11:02:48 PM
And isn't that a really cool photo of Dude?


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Dude McLean on July 14, 2016, 11:13:45 PM

 of corse it is i think you took that picture  :wicked:

 lol

 Dude


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Dodys on July 14, 2016, 11:48:21 PM
 :thumbsup: Lest We Forget,That saying will alway's have meaning,Therefore we need to stay informed for the duration!The Zen-Meister,If he should have the time/energy/desire,to finish that Wonderful Monster of a Grid Down scenario,that would be awesome too,Lots of good info,Even though it is Fiction.It would fall into play & relevance.Meanwhile The Dude-meister Has us covered for Excellent & Well written info,Thank You,Sir!! :thumbsup:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 14, 2016, 11:48:41 PM

And isn't that a really cool photo of Dude?


So who gets the most credit the photographer or the subject ??? :lol:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Dude McLean on July 15, 2016, 12:33:54 AM

 well the subject is perfection so its easy for the photo taker ..  :alan:

 Dodys you are very kind , thanks
 Dude


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 15, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
I'm surprised you're not fighting off the paparazzi Dude or is it National Geographic ???  ;) :sw:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Christopher Nyerges on July 15, 2016, 01:30:26 AM
Dude DOES fight paparazzi regularly -- that's why he lists his location as a "remote backcountry location in the middle of nowhere."


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: vector001 on July 15, 2016, 02:08:36 AM
"remote backcountry location in the middle of nowhere."


i thought that was some sort of homo-erotic code.

huh.

v


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 15, 2016, 02:08:52 AM
That's just the way it is if you're a National Treasure :D


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Snowbound on July 15, 2016, 10:40:33 AM
I remember hearing that if grid section X lost its switching, it would take 2 month to bring back up. The bad part is that the estimate was assuming the rest of the grid was up and running and could support the rebuild efforts.....


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Dude McLean on July 15, 2016, 09:21:29 PM


 from my research they really have no idea how long it might take and if one section goes down the rest can follow very fast... before they can act...

 Dude


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 16, 2016, 01:11:19 AM

........they really have no idea how long it might take...........

 Dude

I like solar panels.......

On a previous van I owned I covered the roof in them & added a 200Ah second battery.

It's all better & easier now ;) :thumbsup:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Dude McLean on July 16, 2016, 02:49:04 PM

 Vec, it is a homo-erotic code but only a few perverts can pick up on it...  :wicked:

 ya have to be tuned in..  :vec:

 Dude


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Bill S on July 16, 2016, 05:40:49 PM
Sorta back on the subject...The last  time a tornado hit a fairly large town and the 'burbs around it, reports were saying the first looters arrived before the first responders.  And were driven off by armed neighbors.  I wonder how come that didn't make national news.  It barely made our local news, which puts a very liberal spin on everything it reports. 

I just combined points from the last two articles, about knowing your neighbors and what happened when a sudden disaster struck.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Combat-Trout on July 16, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
Sorta back on the subject...The last  time a tornado hit a fairly large town and the 'burbs around it, reports were saying the first looters arrived before the first responders.  And were driven off by armed neighbors.  I wonder how come that didn't make national news.  It barely made our local news, which puts a very liberal spin on everything it reports. 

I just combined points from the last two articles, about knowing your neighbors and what happened when a sudden disaster struck.  :thumbsup:

That seems to be the norm, people who have nothing also think nothing of taking what others hav and the media refuses to acknowledge it...


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 16, 2016, 07:05:47 PM

I just combined points from the last two articles, about knowing your neighbors and what happened when a sudden disaster struck.  :thumbsup:


The two things are intertwined no doubt about it :thumbsup:

I guess my main comment re a loss of electricity supply is that, in technical terms there is no need in the modern world to draw power from the grid - the current trend is to generate power on site & sell excess back to the grid - the only issues are capital outlay &  return on investment. :tw:

 :cheers:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Christopher Nyerges on July 17, 2016, 01:01:17 AM
Deerstalker, very very good point. Maybe Dude will write bout that more, or maybe i will... Make you r own power locally


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Combat-Trout on July 17, 2016, 07:57:52 PM
Selling back to the grid isn't an option everywhere, which is sad...

And laws prevented off grid are growing, agenda 21 and all...

Allowing people to opt out lessens control...


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 17, 2016, 08:04:52 PM

Selling back to the grid isn't an option everywhere, which is sad...


Yes it is, because it speeds up the return on the capital outlaid. :(

Still I think it will get better in most places over time - the logic is unassailable, just like capturing & storing rain water.

 :cheers:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: vector001 on July 17, 2016, 09:18:50 PM

Selling back to the grid isn't an option everywhere, which is sad...


Yes it is, because it speeds up the return on the capital outlaid. :(

Still I think it will get better in most places over time - the logic is unassailable, just like capturing & storing rain water.

 :cheers:

out here they are pushing home solar hard - i tell folks they better watch their ass - it's a deal with the Devil.

i have been saving up for a big battery bank, and then pulling the trigger on solar here.

catacombs is another thing the bastards don't need to know about.

vec


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 17, 2016, 09:32:24 PM

i have been saving up for a big battery bank, and then pulling the trigger on solar here.

vec


These seem to be growing in popularity........... :party:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-02/tesla-powerwall-what-it-means-for-australia's-energy/7130392 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-02/tesla-powerwall-what-it-means-for-australia's-energy/7130392)


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: vector001 on July 17, 2016, 11:13:07 PM

i have been saving up for a big battery bank, and then pulling the trigger on solar here.

vec


These seem to be growing in popularity........... :party:

[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-02/tesla-powerwall-what-it-means-for-australia's-energy/7130392[/url] ([url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-02/tesla-powerwall-what-it-means-for-australia's-energy/7130392[/url])


i've been banging numbers around with some mad men - building a battery might be the thing to do at this point in time.


the powers that be would be horrified, of course.

but that's added value.

vec


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 17, 2016, 11:24:32 PM

....... - building a battery might be the thing to do at this point in time.


Totally different scale, but I saw this today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TExXyea5Jpc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TExXyea5Jpc)

 :cheers:


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Curmudgeon on July 18, 2016, 12:05:09 PM
My two cents  ... become non-electric.   We have solar power and modest amounts of gasoline stored.  The solar is mostly for the refrigerator and entertainment devices like DVD and video.  We have new units  (television and players) safely stored.   However we are equipped to easily live without them.  We have portable solar chargers for cameras,tablets, etc. IF THEY STILL FUNCTION.

Motor vehicles will be used only for emergencies because if you are driving when no one else is you're going to get a lot of unwelcome attention. Same with chain saws and other power equipment.  Even where we live it could cause problems.

We have 20 gallons of kerosene for lamps.

We have an outhouse.

We have a rain collection system.

We heat with wood and have crosscut saws and axes to  cut it with and plenty of wood on our place.

We have a garden and viable seed on hand.

After major EMP strikes there will be no trucking companies working ,no computers or phones no transportation system.  Total self sufficiency takes more skill than anyone possesses so think local. What is available in a 50 mile radius from your home?  Obviously we won't be eating bananas at our house!

In the first 6 months we would lose most of the population and most of the people we would need to rebuild our nation.  All of the easy resources are gone.  Primitive drilling equipment won't work to reach present oil reserves.  Likewise there will be no functioning refineries.   No modern medicines!  No way to manufacture electrical transformers.  ALL of our manufacturing is interdependent and will be nearly impossible to get back online.  Think of the 1800's and how things were done then and you'll understand why steel mills were built in coal country and along rivers (transportation ).  

Remember how enemies fought battles after a war officially ended because the news traveled so slow? No more www.com (http://www.com)! No more nightly news.  Possibly HAM radio  but that would be it.

It would indeed be interesting times!



Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Christopher Nyerges on July 18, 2016, 01:48:35 PM
Thank you Curmudgeon for a good sobering up....


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 19, 2016, 03:14:41 AM

After major EMP strikes there will be no trucking companies working ,no computers or phones no transportation system. 


Sounds like a good plan Curmudgeon  :thumbsup:

EMP

I guess a lot depends on how extensive a strike is geographically, if there are follow up attacks and whether there is any warning or not.


Apocalypse


If not just the grid, but society itself falls over for any reason natural or man made everything changes for sure.

Personally, I now don't expect it in my remaining lifetime - but 40 years ago, I thought it was a certainty - I might well be wrong though. :fgod:

I'm concentrating on dealing with things as they are, particularly politics, given that it poses an immediate threat.


Solar


I think the game changer for solar electric is the new generation of batteries now available & the better ones that will follow. :tw:

 :cheers:





Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: Quill on July 19, 2016, 01:42:24 PM
The biggest game changer for solar will not only be batteries but lower cost but reliable units.


Title: Re: GRID DOWN-- new post by Dude
Post by: deerstalker on July 20, 2016, 02:09:58 AM

The biggest game changer for solar will not only be batteries but lower cost but reliable units.


We should ask Vec for a quote 8)