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Title: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: John McCann on September 17, 2009, 09:06:33 AM
Normally when I return from a camping trip, I look at the stuff I brought and evaluate those things that worked as they were supposed to... and those that didn't. 

Just wondering what things worked for you... and what things didn't (or you were disappointed with)... Is there anything you would improve... leave home next time... or maybe destroy with extreme prejudice?

John 


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: number3 on September 17, 2009, 04:17:51 PM
I'm leaving the bag full of knives home next time.   I only used my SAK and my neck knife for the whole week.  Also, I was won over to tarp shelters during this DT, so I'll leave the alpha tent/poncho rig home next time too.


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Dude McLean on September 17, 2009, 05:12:23 PM

 Every piece of gear I had was what I had to have .... When I packed it...

 As long as I have been doing this, Im still going through 'stuff" and getting rid of something.
 Sometimes I forget and take it again..
 I cant throw it away, I might need it later. At times that happens.

 Seems simple enough, but I think it is human nature to try and complicate things.
 The "what if " factor comes into play... Oh crap I might need that..
 Well , waht is the big deal if you do need , but dont have it? ...
 Steal it, borrow it, make do, ignore it, improvise, go to sleep and it will appear in the morning.
 Long Rifle has it...

  Dude...yer6


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Pathfinder on September 17, 2009, 07:08:18 PM
Dint realize Cali was so damn cold at night, net time the woobie come out and the intermediate bags in for hammock sleeping.

You know what the man said "The coldest winter I ever spent was the summer I spent in SanFransico" Sound advice.


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Garith on September 17, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
Well Pathfinder SoCal is a desert after all.  ;) You know it gets cold as F@#k and hot as Hell.


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Dude McLean on September 17, 2009, 08:08:35 PM

 Mark Twain... And he had it right...
 I lived in SF once for ten minutes for 2 years... I did not like it at all.
 
 Cold, dirty and expensive as all get out..Cannot find a place to park.. 

 Fog was cold.. Summer fog was cold... Damp and yucky and foggy..
 Everything was uphill both ways, Not a joke... Rain in the winter and fog... Rain in the summer and fog...

 I have seen 110 in the desert and a drop to 36 with the wind blowing... That is cold.
 Nothing to hold in the heat... zero..

 Dude...yer 6 ....


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Sister Wolf on September 17, 2009, 08:42:11 PM
Normally when I return from a camping trip, I look at the stuff I brought and evaluate those things that worked as they were supposed to... and those that didn't. 

We do the exact same thing.

We should have brought:

*More torches (or flashlights)
*More chairs
*More knives
*Two cameras (instead of one)
*Another set of flip flops (at least for me)
*Extra Blankies for night time.  And we live in So Cal and knew better.  Buncha nerds.  I stole Vec's blankies though, and cuddled with TW, and slept with a snuggly, warm puppy dog at night, so not too big of a deal.
*MORE BEER
*a corkscrew (that's for you, John)

We should not have brought:

... Hm... I can't think of anything we didn't use while we were there. 


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Grizzly Dave on September 17, 2009, 09:05:57 PM
I brought too many clothes to DT09 I didn't want to be walking around looking like a street man by the end of the week. Last time I looked like that, Dude proposed and Alan challenged him to a duel for my hand.
I had rainwear, cold wear, hot wear, woodsy wear and several different hats. I bet my clothing bag with my sleeping pad and sleeping bag in a duffle weighed 45 pounds. No worries at DT10 I am going to stink and stay dirty. I will bring a change for the way home.
I only brought 1 pair of boots, one pair of runners and one pair of moccasins. I wore the boots all the time.
I brought several flashlights one headlamp would have been enough.
I brought a billy pail in case I went for a hike. I had a couple of cups too many and bought a canteen with cup from Dave and a Titanium folding Sierra cup from John and Denise. If you think that's bad you should see the three cupboards full of mugs in my Kitchen. I believe I may be a mugophile.  :-[
I brought lots of knives, saws and an axe, but that was for my talk, but I guess I could have borrowed some and left the arsenal at home.
I always bring extra glasses they are so fragile it is good to do that.
I had an extra tarp, I wasn't sure if I would have to put up a privacy screen, it wasn't used. I bought a knife or three also, what is wrong with me ???
As it was I borrowed a camp cot from Scrap Iron and poles from Dude.....I am a camping mess. I need help, I need Equipment Anonymous, their three step program works I hear, Three piles after each trip and discard the first to piles, yeah that's it ....three piles discard two..... when is the next meeting?

Griz


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Critr Gitr on September 17, 2009, 09:45:14 PM
 I brought along a project I'm working on. It's primarily a big bag made of ripstop you can stuff and make a mattress out of. It also had some loops and grommets in it. The secondary uses are a hammock, chair, stretcher, or a cot depending on how you rig it up. It worked great for its intended uses the way it was designed to be used. Then Ron Hood asked if I tested it for idiots. Well that's where things went wrong. In short order it was in two pieces and Norseman was on his back. Lesson learned, don't hang a 200 lb Marine 5 foot of the ground by 2 grommets in ripstop and give him a swing. The new version is almost done, reinforced with webbing and no grommets.


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Dude McLean on September 17, 2009, 10:30:35 PM

hehehehe.... ;D.....perfect....

 Dude...yerbud...


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Garith on September 17, 2009, 10:50:53 PM
Yep brought too much gear. SW you should have let me know you needed a corkscrew I had one with me in our kit.

Next time I am going to pack less "in case of crap", but I will be adding more office supply type stuff. We did OK on getting rid of some of our trade goods clearing up some space.


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Alan Halcon on September 18, 2009, 12:01:53 AM
CG, that's funny! Wish I could have seen it.

I used everything I took, which wasn't much. Wait, I didn't use the tarp over my hammock.I did use the thermarest in the hammock and a poncho liner as a blanket

I took two knives with me to use, both folders, an outrider and a Tops thunderhawke.

Sneakers, boots, and water shoes.

Two pairs of pants, two shirts.

Two pairs of socks and underwear.

One windbreaker

Toiletries.

That was my pack set up

Dude will tell you, I don't like carrying or having much.

I went to texas 2 years ago, stayed for three days and did a similiar set up, minus sneakers and water shoes and did use my AMK heatsheet and woobie. It got reeeally cold that first night, but did well. The next morning the heatsheet had frost all over it. I was actually warm with that combo.

... Don't ask me about the second night, lol!


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: vector001 on September 18, 2009, 02:51:25 PM
i used a TOPS Steel Eagle 105 a bunch in the field, experimenting, when i walked the wolves.

http://www.topsknives.com/product_info.php?products_id=183&osCsid=jr3nqvp0dbvthv3m3t3ffqdad7 (http://www.topsknives.com/product_info.php?products_id=183&osCsid=jr3nqvp0dbvthv3m3t3ffqdad7)

the saw's functionality and ruggedness surprised me, to the good.

nice compact little knife. fairly light. 'might be a new favorite for minimal kit.

.......

glad i brought my typical extra tarps for the Man Hooch.

i am bringing four to five 10' x 12'-ish El Cheapo tarps next gathering.

make a pavilion, or double them up for insulation from the sun, and maybe resistance to hail....

........

should've brought more wool blankets - i like them big and thin - double them up and you have a thick blankie at a tenth of the price. (mine were free actually - found 'em in the alley)

- the fire worked though when a certain stinker made off with my woobie, but not all of us like being around the fire all the time.

..........

i packed pretty light, for a guy with two mongrels and three females along.

..........

CLOTHES;

cheap 100% cotton button-up Wrangler shirts from Wally World stay cleaner than T-shirts, and are cooler (i think i paid 11 smacks for the Deluxe version with wrinkle finish, so that Canadians would be seen with me in public).

shorts (i think) are key. i packed my chaps for bush bumming in the briars with cargo shorts. less clothing to get wet, while allowing better heat exchange, skin health compared to wearing pants, and the chaps give rain protection with increased breathability over rain pants, which always blow a hole in the bottom or bust a zipper anyways, right when you need them. make a pair of chaps out of your old BDU's to see if you like the concept. Scotchguard or tincloth-treat them, or equivalent, then move up to good ones when you are ready.

only bringing one pair of pants probably next time.

i buy the Cabela's equivalent of Smart Wool socks (they seem, to be Smart Wools, anyways) - these are good choices for sleeping in the cold when undergunned in the clothing department, plus if you have to get the boots on and go do something serious, they are good to go. 'make nice hand warmers if it comes to that. watch out - chicks will steal them.

i carry three pair, standard; one to wear, on to have ready, one being washed, if need be.


Mechanics Gloves. - good to have total separation from your envirionment, if need be. they save a lot of hand injuries and allow faster movement through rough environaments IME. in the old days, everyone had gloves that could afford them. there was a reason.

i like that you can swim in most of these Mechanics Gloves. they are essentially tropical SCUBA gloves from yesteryear.

.........

i brought plenty of line.

i think that was a good idea. at least 100' per tarp is a good rule of thumb, i reckon - let the number decrease; the more tarps you bring, increase; the fewer tarps you bring. - that's just my guestimate, and shouldn't be taken as gospel.

paracord will do.

.........

extra strong steel spike tent pegs - i handed them out left and right for folks that were making pretzels out of their Un-Obtanium ones on the rocky earth there.

just get those cheap spike ones - i think they are about 10 inches long with that worthless plastic thing on the end - they look like big nails.

...........

plastic grocery bags.

if folks are going to have dogs along, they should have these on the leash or in a little fanny pack around the dog's neck. not for poop out in the middle of nowhere, but amongst the common areas. dogs are not going to be allowed if folks don't stay on top of them, and that would be a huge shame IMHO, because a lot of folks benefit from a dog's presence, even if it isn't their dog. most Dirt Time folks love dogs, i reckon.

nice to be able to have a bag to carry and contain trash too - a lot of folks think the Mechanism of Wind is something experienced in bed in the early morning.  ::) a plastic bag nails things together and down, until they can be tossed in the fire or disposed of. i probably used two a day at DT 2009, cleaning up dropped/blown trash. that's not meant as a criticism - we all have to learn.

a plastic bag keeps a barfing kid from decorating his tent too in the middle of the night. stuff happens. no smell the next day, if nothing else.

great to have a little self-tying bag on a branch for when you don't want to troop off to the fire or trash.

HTH.

vec


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Sister Wolf on September 18, 2009, 06:41:33 PM
i probably used two a day at DT 2009, cleaning up dropped/blown trash.

We did a lot of that too.  ;)


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: FigureCarver on September 24, 2009, 04:53:58 AM
Too many clothes..and a cot...not enough gourds
I had to turn some folks away......
I realized I dont sleep on cots as good as laying on the ground. So I loaned the cot to Mako the whole time.


Sig


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Centerfinger on September 24, 2009, 10:34:07 AM
I brought to much production cutlery and not enough of my own.  I forgot my hiking boots at home and only missed those one time.  To many clothes as well, I wore the same pants all week and changed my shirt once.



Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: snaps10 on September 26, 2009, 11:46:21 PM
I'm not bringing anything next time (maybe my climbing rack)
I can cuddle for warmth.
Crash someone else's hooch
Steal beer.
Everyone has like 472 knives, no shortage there.


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: MountainManIndy on January 07, 2010, 10:53:42 PM
 :thumbsup:...
As for me...

I've used the tent with a tarp ground cloth setup wayyyy too many times to restart... besides it works for me. The rugs - I've had with me since high school (they were in my room while I was 'attempting' to grow up - now they're still kickin' and I've still not grown up - just taller  :wicked:)
My 'Moses' stick is a part of my arm... when I go traipsing around... although I do have a smaller version of it, I like ol' Moses (it probably got to be annoying for some folks when we were eating... but oh well  ::))

The little dangling thingy in the picture is my REI candle lantern... works great with the citronella candle... downright comfy setting outside the tent in the twilight - NOOO BUGS... (when I wasn't up at Pavillion West eating dessert)

1 pair of boots (Cabella's 8"tops - waterproof waffle stompers... worked great for tromping around on my own)
1 pair of flipflops for the shower and for inside the tent (plus towel, and toiletries)
1 'grizzily cot' - 4" off the ground, ~30"wide, but 80" long... when you've a 76" body length - not dangling your feet is right comfy)
1 tent light (actually the PAL light... makes for getting up in the middle of the night alot easier... when going on an adventure to 'lower the water pressure')
1 sleeping bag - cozy
Too many clothes... but workable
My BoB (bug out bag - ... with lots of stuff to include my Medical kit, food kit,  & water purification kit)
Knives and things: TOPS - Steel Eagle 111, ATAX; Cold Steel - Master Hunter, Spike (neck knife), Brave Heart (boot knife); Gerber - 20" Camp Hatchet (with saw blade in the handle); MY ALWAYS WITH ME SAK Hunter; and I purchased - 1 Western Skinner while there

1 - 12 bottle case of water... (didn't need it - but drank it all... maybe change this to beer though)

Did I need it all... no... but it made things comfy... I did get to use/test lots of my stuff though... which is always a good idea.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: Alpha Mike on January 08, 2010, 09:34:21 PM
If you need it, and don't got it, you sing a different song.

For me, it was just car camping.  I needed every luxury item I brought.

I actually took some equipment out there to test.  A couple of different sleeping bags.  Hated the one I thought I would like, and liked the one I thought I would hate.  Go figure.

I always test out my gear before I really need to use it.

Michael


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: vector001 on January 08, 2010, 09:56:59 PM
If you need it, and don't got it, you sing a different song.

For me, it was just car camping.  I needed every luxury item I brought.

I actually took some equipment out there to test.  A couple of different sleeping bags.  Hated the one I thought I would like, and liked the one I thought I would hate.  Go figure.

I always test out my gear before I really need to use it.

Michael

car camping is definitely a good shake-down process.

a lot of fun too, when you can make a five star meal and still be in the woods.

vec


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: black arrow on January 14, 2010, 06:39:20 PM
:thumbsup:...
As for me...
The Camp - ([url]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/4055452461_34101610b0.jpg[/url])
...

I don't think I could sleep in a tent like that... or across from a tent like that.



But then, maybe you didn't go to parochial school...


Title: Re: DT09 Equipment Evaluation
Post by: MountainManIndy on January 20, 2010, 11:27:42 AM
Black Arrow... LOL...  ;D Yep, now that you mention it -  it does kinda look a bit 'churchy'... hmmm... maybe sermons or something would be in order...  Nope, didn't go to parochial school... just liked being able to almost stand up in it while putting on my pants...  ::)

Maybe I'll try a teepee... I have used the rainfly as a tarp... works right nice.... Lately I got a better tarp though figured I'd try some of Muddy Boots ideas...got an 8'X10' one made by Etowah that has super stitched tie down loops instead of grommets... should work pretty good... I could use it to disguise the tent...(or block your view so you wouldn't get cranky remembering those ruler-hand-wacking folks in parochial school...   :wicked::thumbsup:)